In Tablero Deportivo, the legendary Spanish National Radio program, Manu Martínez, its director, Victor David López, coordinator of the Latin America FC section from Brazil, chat with Miguel Ángel Ramírez. They do so a few days after Independiente del Valle, who won the Copa Sudamericana the previous year, would have been the sensation after having beaten reigning Copa Libertadores champion, Brazilian Flamengo, 5-0.